Parenting, Trust, and the Weather

November 9th, 2010   by   Andrew

I want to make it up to my sister-in-law. In a recent post she might come off as a little too uni-dimensional. And to be fair, the the post was about 2/3 factual and 1/3 story. I think I wrote 5 emails to her instead of 3. Also, the whole thing stemmed from some problems I was having at the time in my love-life. There is an old writing lesson that goes like this: exaggeration trumps truth. I hope someday the blogging world also understands that omission (and good ol’ fashioned editing) can sometimes trump exaggeration.

But she did do something very important for me in being so dismissive of my rationalizations. Emotional choices do have to be understood on at least some emotional level.

So I want to bring up this story where I defend her, as a kind of thank-you for being understanding and patient with the family she married into. She’s likely heard about this already. I love her and want to make sure she knows that she has taught this distracted observer to think about things right before his eyes as much as things just beyond his vision. This one is a mix of fact and story too.

My brother and sister-in-law have two beautiful, healthy, smiley and active children that suffer only from the lack of nothing. I think the two parents are enjoying every moment of it, even the pains and catastrophes and blunders. But their parenting, being the personal and ever-changing pursuit that it is, has been the inspiration for a few criticisms now and then.

Parenting is a funny thing, eh. We’re not supposed to judge how other people raise their kids, and yet we can blame a lot of our social problems on ‘bad parenting’. We can’t really offer much advice when it comes to parenting because it means we are butting in or being rude, and yet mountains of parenting books are available and recommended daily. Is parenting like the weather? Everyone talks about it but nobody does anything about it??

A few years ago, when the children were quite little,  a certain conversation came up when my brother and sister-in-law weren’t around. Now I won’t name names, but a little bit of worry came up from a certain someone  about how these two young parents were getting along.

“She’s giving them too many choices. She’s giving in too much! She’s trying to negotiate and coax too much!  She has to get control of that young boy before he gets out of hand!”

I was listening and nodding through all of this and about to give a standard, “Yup, absolutely!” when a short moment of awareness hit me. Normally, I agree with a lot of what this certain someone says. It likely isn’t that surprising, since I tend to think a lot like this certain other someone.  Generally speaking, we tend to pay attention to what confirms our thoughts and dismiss things that we don’t want to hear anyway. But being my usual self didn’t seem the right response for that moment.

I thought about my sister-in-law in her kitchen. A quick picture came up of her slicing up an apple and a peach for her children. She had made them first sit at the table, then decide on the snack they wanted. She then continued to talk to them while preparing the fruit, keeping them engaged and focused, though just sitting at the kitchen table. Everything was smooth and fluid, and I was able to realize just how well prepared and happy she was.

“You know what,” I blurted, “I trust her completely with those two kids. She’s wanted children all her life, she wants to be a good parent and she is thinking about it every day when she looks at them.”

The conversation softened. Some words of consideration came up, minds began to change, and in a short time we were talking about something else entirely.

What struck me as important at the time was that my trust in her actually came from the realization of how different we were. I pictured her in her life, not me in her life. She is a public school teacher that believes in her work and believes in her ability to do her work. She has always wanted to be a parent and she has worked at it consciously. And she does have incredible control over her children. They adore and respect her as much as she adores and respects them. (Well, they aren’t teenagers yet… he he…)

There is an old business lesson that goes something like this: don’t hire yourself. You will do the jobs that you like to do. Hire someone very different from yourself, as opposite as you can find. They’ll want to do the jobs you don’t like to do.

I think this is a moral lesson as well, a community lesson. We are far beyond the historical point where everyone in the family or the group has to be the same. In fact, it can be disastrous now to put such expectations on people. Forcing parenthood upon unprepared and uninterested people is a sure-fire way to cause bad parenting. (Just an aside here, but I find it funny how much is said about the effects of bad parenting, but so little is said about the causes of bad parenting…)

There are rewards now in trusting those people that are different precisely because they think and want different things, just as there are rewards for letting people pursue their own career paths (and social paths and family paths).

It might mean more debates, and some bickering, and even some over-philosophizing, but people do all that anyway.

What do you think?



Resources for Parents: A Prayer to Self

August 30th, 2010   by   Andrew


One of the things that bothers me most about atheists, agnostics, skeptics and general-non-believers is their lack of (serious) community ritual. De-baptism by blow-dryer may have a role in promoting awareness, but it doesn’t seem spiritually uplifting…

I mean, they may very well have a workable and very plausible worldview, (I wore the agnostic badge for quite a while until recently converting to anti-label-ism) but what practices are in place to bind communities together and assist individuals in become morally better people? And let’s be fair — blogging doesn’t necessarily count!

Do these same skeptics trust a government-run public education system to guide their children into being well-socialized, ethically aware members of the community? Is the community social club or the kids’ little league enough?

P.Z. Meyers put together an atheist creed a few years ago which is beautiful in its thoughtfulness, humility and simplicity. I especially appreciate that it is AN atheist creed, and not the atheist creed. However, the irony produced from atheists dipping into the creed-business while churches are questioning, editing, abandoning and repenting over their own does need to be examined.

I believe in time,
matter, and energy,
which make up the whole of the world.

I believe in reason, evidence and the human mind,
the only tools we have;
they are the product of natural forces
in a majestic but impersonal universe,
grander and richer than we can imagine,
a source of endless opportunities for discovery.

I believe in the power of doubt;
I do not seek out reassurances,
but embrace the question,
and strive to challenge my own beliefs.

I accept human mortality.
We have but one life,
brief and full of struggle,
leavened with love and community,
learning and exploration,
beauty and the creation of
new life, new art, and new ideas.

I rejoice in this life that I have,
and in the grandeur of a world that preceded me,
and an earth that will abide without me.

My only real criticism of this statement is about the arrangement of word-choice  — it starts with “I” and ends with  “me”. “Community” appears only once.  We all go through stages of being self-obsessed and even self-possessed, but how about we try to grow a little beyond this if we are to come to some better ends? If there is change to be made, let it only begin with “me”.

Some non-believers are offended by prayer. They liken it to talking to imaginary friends or to using exclusive language that perpetuates the ingroup/outgroup barriers.

But ritual is important. If you don’t consciously choose your rituals, and the language of your rituals, they get chosen for you. The morning coffee is a clear example. Television and advertising is a way-too dominant example.

Prayer is as much talking to yourself, giving yourself guidance, as it is any sort of  call out to the unknown. Sometimes your own voice, your own thoughts, can help you be conscious of the moment and conscious of the choices you have when it comes to behaviour.

A common mantra on faithless blogs is the idea of being “good without gods”. I want to help with part of this. I don’t really care if you use a god or not, if you need a god or not. This is about being good, and getting better.

Here is an offering, something I believe could be universal. Months ago I wrote a review of a book by Gretta Vosper, “With or Without God.” This is a prayer from the book,  cleared of all supernatural elements but still designed to inspire change within the individual.

As I live every day,
I want to be a channel for peace.
May I bring love where there is hatred
and healing where there is hurt;
joy where there is sadness
and hope where there is fear.
I pray that I may always try
to understand and comfort other people
as well as seeking comfort and understanding
from them.
Wherever possible, may I choose to be
a light in the darkness,
a help in times of need,
and a caring, honest friend.
and may justice, kindness, and peace
flow from my heart forever,
Amen.

If a child said this each day and understood what the words meant, what would be the effect? Is there anything in this prayer that would offend a non-believer? Is there anything in this prayer that would offend a believer? Can this still be called a prayer?

Maybe that last word,  “Amen” is still too strong. We can edit that out. In fact, we can edit lots of things. That’s one of the rewards of challenging your own beliefs (I think Meyers might even agree with that).

What rituals do you have that help you move from being good to being better?


Take care. I won’t say my prayers are with you, but my thoughts are of you. All ways.



For Parents: Dale McGowan and Parenting Beyond Belief

August 16th, 2010   by   Andrew

Parenting Beyond Belief is on youtube as well.

Here is a short video where Dale talks about the difference between influencing without indoctrinating. It nearly goes without saying that children will imitate their parents or guardians. But with one simple sentence you can start your child on the path of critical thinking.

“There are other good people who believe differently, and you can talk to them and think about their beliefs. You can make up your own mind.”

How many of you parents out there have used something similar?

Does it work? And do your children seek out and talk to people with different beliefs?
Here is another quote that seemed important to me:

“Imagine if all children were given the opportunity to seek out alternate worldviews and make up their own minds in the long run!”

Although we are slowly making our way towards such an imagined world, I think there are some major hurdles still ahead of us.

Is there still hope for the thinking children of tomorrow?


For Parents: Interview with Dale McGowan Part 2

August 12th, 2010   by   Andrew

In this part of the interview, Dale McGowan discusses how to talk to children about the difficult issues such as mystery and death. As well, what do you do if your child doesn’t believe your answers?

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GwbG: Many parents squirm when faced with the big questions from their children. Where do babies come from? Why isn’t the world fair? What happens when you die? Do you have tried-and-tested answers for these questions or did you find yourself scrambling?

DMcG: I never squirm. What I do is hold my breath, drop to my metaphorical knees, and crawl humbly toward the question like a supplicant. These questions are among the biggest rewards and privileges for me as a dad, and I’ve recently become (sadly) aware that they are tapering off as my kids get older and their dialogue naturally becomes more of an internal monologue.

But I do scramble. I usually start by freaking out at the kid a bit for the pure quality and worthwhileness of the question. They love to freak Dad out with a good question. My next step is not so much the provision of an answer as the reinforcement of the questioning impulse. I don’t shy away from offering my own opinions, but they know that’s what they are, and I always try to get their own uninfluenced thoughts first. It’s pure pleasure for me.

GwbG: Have you ever been left speechless or stunned by a question from a child?

DMcG: Yes, but not in the expected ways. Mostly by the complexity and nuance of prior thought a question can reveal.

GwbG: Death is a particularly difficult one. Have you found that a child needs to be comforted or needs an explanation when dealing with death? Or do children work through these things themselves? How do you explain the mystery of death to a child?

DMcG: We all need to be comforted in the face of the impossibly unfair reality of our eventual end. Yes, it’s beautiful in its way, it’s ever so necessary, blah blah blah. It still evokes pure fury from me as a dead man on leave.

I would even say that we grown-ups flatter ourselves by suggesting that we are in a position to comfort our children when it comes to thinking about and dealing with death. If anything, the opposite is true. Compared to their parents, children have a greatly reduced grasp of death. As Emory University psychologist Melvin Konner notes in The Tangled Wing, “From age three to five they consider it reversible, resembling a journey or sleep. After six they view it as a fact of life but a very remote one.” Though rates of conceptual development vary, Konner places the first true grasp of the finality and universality of death around age ten—a realization that includes the first dawning deep awareness that it applies to them as well.

The fact that children tend not to fully “get” death during the early years has its downside—crossing the street would be easier, for example, if they did—but it also has a decided advantage. These are the years during which they can engage the idea of death more easily and more dispassionately than they will as adults. And such early engagement can only help to build a foundation of understanding and familiarity to ease and inform their later encounters with this most profound and difficult of all human realities.

GwbG: Do children accept mystery, or accept it when a parent doesn’t know, or at least when a parent admits to not knowing the answer to some big, heartfelt question?

DMcG: Kids are entirely comfortable with the idea that much is unknown. There’s no reason they should expect their parents to know everything unless the parent has gone out of his or her way to cultivate that silly idea. Parents who do that also implant the dangerous idea of the infallible authority. I prefer to model breathtaking ignorance and humility before Newton’s “great ocean of [unknown] truth.” Takes the pressure off a bit as well.

GwbG: At some point [Heaven forbid!] your own child may even disagree with you or not accept your explanations! Is this the end of the world?

DMcG: I not only expect it, I explicitly invite them to do so. My kids have heard the invitation to think for themselves and differ from me so often that they now roll their eyes whenever I repeat it. “Now, that’s just my opinion,” I say. “I want you to think about it yourself and make up your own…”

I never even get to the end of the sentence anymore. “I know, I know, you want me to think for myself!” they say. Excellent. Message received.

Big thanks go to Dale for taking the time with these questions. I particularly like the combination of the words “breathtaking ignorance”. Parents have a tough enough job as it is without having to carry the title of ‘infallible authority.

My brother at one point was overwhelmed with the questions from his very young son. He finally had to look at his boy and say, “Look, I’m still learning all this stuff myself, you know.”

It was a small moment really just between them, but it turned them into a team of practically inseparable explorers.

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On the weekend I will post a commentary on the week and with any luck drum up some tougher questions for Dale.

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Thanks again Dale. And message definitely received!



For Parents: Interview with Dale McGowan Part 1

August 10th, 2010   by   Andrew

Dale McGowan is part of the team behind Parenting Beyond Belief and Raising Freethinkers. I first came across Dale’s blog last January while doing random searches and getting distracted by unique art. It was his banner art that caught my attention (from a guy named Glendon Mellow at The Flying Trilobite), and before I knew it I was absorbed by Dale’s essay on the unconditional love of reality.

Since that first chance encounter, I’ve learned that Dale had a lengthy career as a college professor, has been blogging for a few years now on secular parenting, and in 2008 was named Harvard’s Humanist of the Year.

Dale was gracious enough to share his insights on the highs and lows of parenting for my blog. Today’s post will be Part 1 and on Thursday I will post Part 2.

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GWBG: Let’s start with something fun – what’s been the greatest reward or joy for you as a parent?

DMcG: The unending flood of meaning and purpose it has brought. It isn’t necessary to have kids to find and feel that, but I’ve never had a firmer, more satisfying grip on my own meaning and purpose than in the fifteen years since I became a dad.

GWBG: A little more serious now – what’s been the greatest struggle or challenge for you as a parent?

DMcG: Patience. I’m ten times better than I was at the beginning. I’ve learned a tremendous amount from my wife in this area.

GWBG: I’m curious about how children see values or morality. From your experience have you found children to be naturally in touch with some system of values or morality, or does this need to be nurtured in some structured way?

DMcG: When it comes to broader conclusions of this kind, I don’t trust my experience overly much. There’s no area of life more saturated with correlation/causation fallacies than parenting (“I feed my kids wheat germ every day and they always do what they’re told!”), so I’d rather look to the research. People like Marvin Berkowitz and Larry Nucci have done tremendous work in the study of moral development, including cross-cultural studies. Children in cultures around the world tend to reach certain landmarks in moral development reliably and on time regardless of what their parents do or don’t do.

The reliability with which kids hit these moral landmarks was underlined by a University of Zurich study published in the August 2008 issue of the journal Nature. Kids between 3 and 4 were seen to be almost universally selfish, after which a “strong sense of fairness” develops, usually by age 7 or 8. Fairness was most evident toward those with whom the children identified. So one of the main tasks in moral development is not building the moral sense in the first place, but extending it beyond the natural affinity for those who are most like us.

[A deeper look into this topic is available on one of Dale's blog posts from October. ]

GWBG: Do kids need absolutes? For example, rules around the home or how to treat other people or even just basic values (examples: be honest always, never steal, always do your homework). Do they understand absolutes or is something else needed?

DMcG: Kids certainly need rules. I hesitate to call them “absolutes” because that term carries so many unstated implications—among them, the idea that a given rule is invoked by the parent ex cathedra and must not be questioned. My kids know that they are free to question the validity of, and ask the reason for, any rule we have. That doesn’t mean they are free to disobey anything they wish, only that they can and should understand the reasons for the rules—and even challenge those they feel are unfair.

Yes, my kids know that they should not lie or steal. But if the rule is just a “because I say so” pronouncement based on my authority, it stands or falls as my authority does—and that’s something guaranteed to wax and wane as my kids grow. If instead I always make a point of telling them why lying and stealing are a bad idea—Will I be able to trust you next time, How would you feel if someone did that to you, etc.—they are more likely to learn and retain the moral imperative. This also gives them the ability to think morally, to develop active moral judgment rather than the mere ability to follow rules.

GWBG: At some point, maybe 5 and 10 years of age, children can become comparison fanatics. They become aware of how different families live and work and run the home. And now, more and more, communities are made up of different cultures, religions, and even languages. When a child comes to you with questions like “Why don’t we do this?” or “Why do they do that?” How would you try to explain those differences?

DMcG: This is such a terrific question and one of the great challenges. I’d skew the age range later, since teens are even more prone to this (especially when it comes to material/economic comparisons), but kindergarten is indeed the point when recognition of difference goes into overdrive.

Attitude toward difference is one of the defining distinctions between the (philosophically) liberal and conservative approaches to life. The conservative position tends to define a best/right way of doing or being, and to advocate moving toward that way. The liberal position suggests that there are many good ways to be, and that differences in approach are a reflection of different contexts and starting points, not of distance from the best way. When it comes to explaining difference, I think philosophically liberal parents (myself included) have an easier task. And again, there are reasons for differences, so I try to articulate them whenever I can.

GWBG: Let’s say another parent or maybe even a teacher explains something to your child that you don’t agree with. Maybe they are part of some specific religion or background and start talking about their beliefs. Is there a line at which you would stop the other parent, or maybe offer your own viewpoint? How flexible is that line and is it best just to bring it up later in private? And do children understand these different viewpoints from other families?

DMcG: This relates to the previous answer. My kids have been raised knowing that different people believe and think and do different things, and that they (my kids) are invited and encouraged to think things through and come to their own conclusions. If a child has been raised curious, capable of asking questions, and accepting of differences, I can let difference wash over my kids from all directions. The only thing I watched for early on was any attempt to frighten them into belief or consent on any point (e.g. by invoking hell as the consequence of honest doubt and questioning). Now, at 8, 12, and 15, all three of my kids are well beyond the point where I have to protect them even from that. They can handle the differences and maintain their own independence incredibly well.

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The second half of this interview will be posted Thursday. Any questions or comments for Dale can be either submitted here or on his site.



Big Questions from the Little Ones

August 6th, 2010   by   Andrew

My personal community, my friends and family, and even for the most part my neighbours it seems, are becoming less and less religious (whatever that word may mean at this point…). That’s kind of a good thing, since we know so much more about religions now.

However, there do seem to be more and more little versions of my friends running around these days. Facebook updates are filled with photos of proud baby bumps on display, or the grand achievements of three-year-olds. Conversations that were once about what pub to go to tonight or what band was playing downtown have been rerouted to concerns over  teacher quality or managing vehicles for ball-practice and swimming.

This got me thinking about how the next generation is going to grow up. It’s quite possible that the next generation will be growing up where being religious isn’t the default expectation. In my neck of the woods, anyway.

I know of several people that would call themselves Christian, for example, but don’t go to church.  I know of several people that were raised Catholic or Anglican but wouldn’t call themselves that anymore. Their children likely won’t be carrying any badges either, or committing to any early Sunday rituals. Unless maybe they join scouts or something.

The conversations parents have when explaining the world to their children are going to be vastly different for today’s generation. I guess really those conversations have been changing for several generations. Only now, I get to see how my friends and my relatives are tackling the big questions from the little ones in the house.

A friend of mine once told me that he was lucky to get one hour of quality, personal, one-on-one time in with his boy in a day. The morning was a rush to get everyone out the door and prepared for school or work. The day was busy with responsibilities. By the time everyone got home supper had to be made and the house taken care of. There might be one hour before bedtime he could spend with his son, usually. And the weekends were of course eaten up by shopping, housework  and team-sports. The light of his life gets about 4% of his time.

Is that enough time if your kid springs on you a tough question about death? What can you do if there is a new student in your girl’s class from Sri Lanka and she wants to know why the new student dresses so differently?

Well, thank goodness there’s Google, I guess…

Even if my neck of the woods is increasingly more secular, the world is going to be dealing with the religious for many, many generations to come. There was a news article by James Ron recently about how the youths of today will need an education in world religions just to take part in the world. We aren’t living in isolated, single cultures anymore. To an extent, there is very little you can do now that doesn’t have an international consequence or effect. Read the labels in the grocery store if you need evidence of this. Or just try a few searches on Google. We live internationally now.

So as far as my little world here goes, August is going to be for parents. I’m in the process of interviewing a few community leaders here on how parents can take on the big questions from their little ones. The tentative plan will be to post each interview week by week. Here is the list so far for August:

Dale McGowan of Foundation Beyond Belief and Author of Raising Freethinkers

Reverend Steve Spicer of North Trenton United Church

Mohammad Saleh (Mike) of the Belleville Muslim Association

A more Fundamentalist Christian point of view [yet to be arranged -- any ideas or contacts welcome]

The Lamrim Buddhist Centre of Belleville [again, yet to be arranged, but I'm hoping to meet with a man by the name of Peter Rogers]

I hope it will be a fun month, and a useful month for parents. As always, it may only go as deep as a blog can go, but if it helps a few parents out and starts some parents on the road of true religious awareness, rather than just indoctrination, then at least our next generation may be able to take it from there…

Ta for now!