Gretta Vosper — Taking a Church Through the Eye of a Needle

April 6th, 2011   by   Andrew

Monday night I listened to Gretta Vosper talk about the perils of pathfinding. In a sense, it was a story about ministry.

She had a big problem. She loved her congregation. She loved her calling. She loved sharing her education and her thoughts on religious ideas. But she didn’t have the same God as her church.

She put a lot of passion and work into her sermons in order to explain the history, the context, the subtleties of the old and important writings. She tried to explain out the differences in time, and how important it was to live in today’s world, with today’s understandings of things.

She would finish her services, and the congregation would smile, and she would realize their understandings of God had not been changed or challenged in any real way at all. And when she looked a little deeper, she noticed everything within the old and comfortable rituals of the church reconfirmed what could only be an elementary understanding of God.

So she broke down, and finally told them she didn’t believe in the same interceding God they did. She didn’t believe in the God of agency they did. She didn’t  see God as Love, at least in the way they said they did. She certainly didn’t believe the Bible was the authoritative word of God for all time. And she didn’t know what to do.

Some people in the church were ready and willing to take up the new path with her. Others were not. It became a time of losing allies, dissolving relationships, and things falling apart. But it was also a time of examining values, embracing new friends, and hope taking shape. In her mind,  it had to happen because, well… how else would something as old as a church change?

There is a story about Jesus who was approached by a rich man wanting to know how to receive eternal life. In short, Jesus told him to sell everything he had and turn his life towards helping others. The rich man was unimpressed with the cost, and walked away. When Jesus was pressed to explain what he had said to the rich man, he came up with a really creative image:

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. [See Mark or Matthew]

A little while ago a friend online posted a collection of interpretations for this passage. There are lots, each one with a history and a use all its own. But the most intriguing one for me was this:

It can be a simple process, but not an easy one. The camel must first be completely destroyed. Once that is done, it can pass through the needle’s eye. [if you know where this came from, please tell me so I can link it or give credit]

That’s a tall order. Churches don’t like being destroyed. Even if it is the only way forward.

I have to give my respect to the United Church of Canada. They have not excommunicated her or fired her. They have not swept her under any rug. They haven’t even simply walked away, like that rich man unimpressed with the cost.  But they are watching and they are waiting.

Gretta talked a little bit about burn-out. As minister, she is the spiritual leader but not necessarily the executive leader, and she did express some hesitation about where this was all going. It sounds like her progressive church is starting to move on it’s own momentum now. Many of the new members of her church have little history with things like Sunday School curriculum, or group assemblies or religious studies. At this point, they cannot return to the old rituals and easy resources. They are making it all fresh and all new. As a result, they work with the passion of zealots and new converts. A moment of care and consideration can be important, especially in unexplored territory. If you are willing to set yourself on fire, some people will be more than willing to help you find the matches.

In breaking new ground, I fear Gretta and her congregation may be digging holes for themselves and losing sight of the many paths already cut through the trees, so to speak. Many people have walked these paths already.  (I wanted to ask her, “Why not ask the Unitarians for help?” but the question period ended before I plucked up my nerve.)

When it all gets done, I’m not sure if anything will be left to pass through that narrow eye of the needle. But, they are facing the daunting task of change, and they are doing it head-on. I’m just not sure whether to lend a hand, or be ready with a bucket of water.

What do you think?



Gretta Vosper is Coming to Town!

April 1st, 2011   by   Andrew

Gretta Vosper is the author of With or Without God: Why the way we live is more important than what we believe (I reviewed the book last year – Part 1 and Part 2). She is the minister at Westhill United Church and is deeply involved in Progressive Christianity.

St. Thomas Anglican Church in Belleville is using Lent as an opportunity for exploration. Each Monday night,  for the last few weeks, the church has hosted guest speakers. The theme has been “Would you Believe it?” (here is their summary page). Gretta Vosper is the final guest speaker.

I’m going. I’m a little excited. I think there will be a question period afterward.

If you had the chance, what question would you like to ask a Progressive Christian? Do you have any questions about her book?

I will see what I can do about any questions. And after Monday, I will post something about the details of the evening.

What do you think?



New Visions on an Old Path

February 22nd, 2010   by   Andrew

“The beginning of love is to let those we love be perfectly themselves, and not to twist them to fit our own image. Otherwise we love only the reflection of ourselves we find in them.” – Thomas Merton

Less than a year ago I was introduced to a book with the title, “With or Without God: Why the way we live is more important than what we believe“.

It’s something of a challenging title. The author, Gretta Vosper, is a minister in the United Church of Canada and she is trying to be challenging, in the sense that she wants to be true to her own faith.

Her church has put together something they call VisionWorks, a kind of mission statement. I may at some point in the future write up a full review of the book, but for today I just want to talk about the main points of the VisionWorks statement.

At first I felt that it was a collection of  vague attempts at inclusive, inoffensive language that had at best only dulled edges of meaning. But I came back to it with fresh eyes and an open mind. I reread the subtitle and thought a little more about the careful direction of the words:

West Hill United

a progressive spiritual community
growing out of the Christian tradition

It got me thinking of how a Christian would respond. So I want to list the main points of the VisionWorks here and just ask how would a Christian respond to these ideas. Is there anything in these statements that a Christian would object to, or would find against his or her own beliefs?

1. Our grounding is the interconnectedness of all life

2. Our response to life is love

3. Our sources for inspiration are diverse

4. Our gatherings are multi-faceted

5. Our vision is growth

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By all means I encourage you to check out the complete statement for yourself. I didn’t want to quote the entire thing. But it may be worth mentioning that there is no use of the words God or Jesus. Instead the focus seems to be about serving the community through common values.

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Is this really all that revolutionary or challenging?

Can a church with such directions and values grow and thrive?

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When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. — Leviticus 19:33